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Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Sam Armstrong Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:13 am
I know I am seen by many on here as public enemy #1 as I am prepared to sometimes ask the awkward questions but this is, as I find myself repeating ad infinitum, not because I am "anti-BARLA" but because I cannot just sit by whilst the apathy of many on the Board allows it's demise to pick up pace.
On the 28th June at the AGM we, well ... some, have the opportunity to vote in new Board Members and yet I recall only having seen one cv/statement of intent as to why they feel they should be chosen.
Can I ask formally, via here where we have been asked to direct our questions to the Board, what each of those standing for election intend to offer the Membership in the way of commitment and targets for their tenure so that they can be measured against them. I ask this so we don't end up with yet another Board just meeting to claim expenses whilst achieving little on an individual basis.
We have got to cease the Board being perceived as just an "old boys" club and instead vote in a pro-active and dynamic team who will get the Association out of the doldrums and moving upwards again.
Sadly, with one or two exceptions who I have higher hopes for, I fear the status quo will remain and even possibly degenerate further as those who have been shown to be incompetent in one role now, unbelievably, stand for others. When previous Boards have expressed concern over these individuals I find it astounding to say the least but sadly nothing surprises me anymore.
So, my questions to everyone standing for election are:
a) Which issues do you intend to address whilst in office?
b) What timescale are you setting yourself for each of the above?
c) What new initiatives are you looking to introduce whilst in office?
d) What timescale are you setting yourself for each of the above?
e) Why do you think that the Membership should support your application above others?
Again, I expect we will hear lttle as, sadly, their apathy towards the general membership is well documented. I do believe though that at least one, who has already shown themselves to be a cut above the norm in their willingness to reply to direct questions, will respond and I would hope that others follow their example .
I await with baited breath.
On the 28th June at the AGM we, well ... some, have the opportunity to vote in new Board Members and yet I recall only having seen one cv/statement of intent as to why they feel they should be chosen.
Can I ask formally, via here where we have been asked to direct our questions to the Board, what each of those standing for election intend to offer the Membership in the way of commitment and targets for their tenure so that they can be measured against them. I ask this so we don't end up with yet another Board just meeting to claim expenses whilst achieving little on an individual basis.
We have got to cease the Board being perceived as just an "old boys" club and instead vote in a pro-active and dynamic team who will get the Association out of the doldrums and moving upwards again.
Sadly, with one or two exceptions who I have higher hopes for, I fear the status quo will remain and even possibly degenerate further as those who have been shown to be incompetent in one role now, unbelievably, stand for others. When previous Boards have expressed concern over these individuals I find it astounding to say the least but sadly nothing surprises me anymore.
So, my questions to everyone standing for election are:
a) Which issues do you intend to address whilst in office?
b) What timescale are you setting yourself for each of the above?
c) What new initiatives are you looking to introduce whilst in office?
d) What timescale are you setting yourself for each of the above?
e) Why do you think that the Membership should support your application above others?
Again, I expect we will hear lttle as, sadly, their apathy towards the general membership is well documented. I do believe though that at least one, who has already shown themselves to be a cut above the norm in their willingness to reply to direct questions, will respond and I would hope that others follow their example .
I await with baited breath.
Sam Armstrong- Admin
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by mick doyle Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:04 am
Sam you are flogging a dead horse mate BARLA as we knew it no longer excists its dead.
The present board have alinated themselves from the people they are supposed to represent so let them carry on the way they are the end is nigh
The present board have alinated themselves from the people they are supposed to represent so let them carry on the way they are the end is nigh
mick doyle- Youth team
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Sam Armstrong Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:26 am
The tumbleweed rolling round the BARLA forum catches out
another unsuspecting victim whilst he awaits a reply!!!
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Hammer 13 Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:46 am
Relax Sam and breathe out as you’re turning purple and in danger of collapse – as illustrated by your last post.
First of all, allow me to give you some indication of the reasoning behind my opting for office within the association.
BARLA has been good to me, it’s given me the chance to enjoy (or endure) almost 40 years of playing amateur rugby league. Unfortunately I’ve was never blessed with some of the silky, skills enjoyed by many players of our great game, but there has always been a team able to accommodate my – and many others with limited skill – desire to play the game.
By embracing the whole of the game, BARLA has ensured that the game which was on its knees in the early seventies - with only around 150 amateur teams in existence and around thirty youth sides – to peak with 1400 teams and 900 youth teams. On an average weekend, 23,000 players would be on the park playing and enjoying the game at all levels.
The flagship BARLA National League was successfully introduced in 1986 season with 10 teams adding a second division in 1989, before expanding to three divisions in 1993, which to this day runs under its current name of the National Conference League in 1993. Sadly the management of the NCL found it fit to drop the prefix of BARLA from its title at the end of last season which probably indicative of the NCL management’s future intentions.
Obviously this BARLA flagship league catered for the very best players that the amateur had to offer but the structure still remained within the association to cater players of arguably lesser skill along with the youth & juniors.
So now after moving to the administration realms of the amateur game, after taking so much enjoyment from my playing days, I feel that I can offer to put something back into the amateur game which leads us to this point and a chance answer to your questions.
I will be honest with you and reveal that we arrive at these answers after consultation with an existing BARLA board member.
a) Communications must take priority as the system at present is almost at meltdown. Renewed communications should create a more transparent association.
The profile of the amateur game must be raised and the BARLA ethos – which is to embrace the whole of the game – should be heralded. And I don’t mean using slick marketing gimmicks and phrases such as ‘great product’ etc. which are thrown around by the pro’ game in a bid to sell the business of Super League, let’s get back in amongst the people who matter the most, the players who have just one desire, which is to play the game.
More effort and awareness must be offered to the junior section of our game – our future - which sadly, in recent times, shows signs of being neglected.
Tackling the above issues will go a long way to re-unify our members bringing a halt to the splintering of the association.
b) These issues should be addressed immediately and maintained.
c) To create a more positive thinking and pro-active board, for this to materialise new board members must be found.
Although these would not be exactly new initiatives as they are already in place, regular youth and junior forums would be held, the same goes for the open age section. From these regular forum meetings, initiatives should be produced from the genuinely, interested members who are showing their concern for the future by attending such meetings. Members from district and regional leagues would be able to express their thoughts and ideas in a listening environment.
d) Again these initiatives should be implemented immediately and maintained. However, to my knowledge there have been problems with the youth & junior forum in arriving at the ideal day for such meetings. This has resulted in a low percentage in attendance and the situation requires immediate thought and action.
e) For the above to be successful, it is essential that a 100% support from the membership must be restored.
For much too long now, different groups of people who have obviously become tired and dissatisfied with the direction that the association has been led, have put distance and barriers between themselves and BARLA, often opting to take the easy choice and setting up their own power base, rather than remaining with the association, rolling up their sleeves in an attempt to repair the damage which wrong options will often incur.
Success would require compromise by all members to display a pro-active, positive, attitude and embrace the initiatives which would indeed carry the game forward.
First of all, allow me to give you some indication of the reasoning behind my opting for office within the association.
BARLA has been good to me, it’s given me the chance to enjoy (or endure) almost 40 years of playing amateur rugby league. Unfortunately I’ve was never blessed with some of the silky, skills enjoyed by many players of our great game, but there has always been a team able to accommodate my – and many others with limited skill – desire to play the game.
By embracing the whole of the game, BARLA has ensured that the game which was on its knees in the early seventies - with only around 150 amateur teams in existence and around thirty youth sides – to peak with 1400 teams and 900 youth teams. On an average weekend, 23,000 players would be on the park playing and enjoying the game at all levels.
The flagship BARLA National League was successfully introduced in 1986 season with 10 teams adding a second division in 1989, before expanding to three divisions in 1993, which to this day runs under its current name of the National Conference League in 1993. Sadly the management of the NCL found it fit to drop the prefix of BARLA from its title at the end of last season which probably indicative of the NCL management’s future intentions.
Obviously this BARLA flagship league catered for the very best players that the amateur had to offer but the structure still remained within the association to cater players of arguably lesser skill along with the youth & juniors.
So now after moving to the administration realms of the amateur game, after taking so much enjoyment from my playing days, I feel that I can offer to put something back into the amateur game which leads us to this point and a chance answer to your questions.
I will be honest with you and reveal that we arrive at these answers after consultation with an existing BARLA board member.
a) Communications must take priority as the system at present is almost at meltdown. Renewed communications should create a more transparent association.
The profile of the amateur game must be raised and the BARLA ethos – which is to embrace the whole of the game – should be heralded. And I don’t mean using slick marketing gimmicks and phrases such as ‘great product’ etc. which are thrown around by the pro’ game in a bid to sell the business of Super League, let’s get back in amongst the people who matter the most, the players who have just one desire, which is to play the game.
More effort and awareness must be offered to the junior section of our game – our future - which sadly, in recent times, shows signs of being neglected.
Tackling the above issues will go a long way to re-unify our members bringing a halt to the splintering of the association.
b) These issues should be addressed immediately and maintained.
c) To create a more positive thinking and pro-active board, for this to materialise new board members must be found.
Although these would not be exactly new initiatives as they are already in place, regular youth and junior forums would be held, the same goes for the open age section. From these regular forum meetings, initiatives should be produced from the genuinely, interested members who are showing their concern for the future by attending such meetings. Members from district and regional leagues would be able to express their thoughts and ideas in a listening environment.
d) Again these initiatives should be implemented immediately and maintained. However, to my knowledge there have been problems with the youth & junior forum in arriving at the ideal day for such meetings. This has resulted in a low percentage in attendance and the situation requires immediate thought and action.
e) For the above to be successful, it is essential that a 100% support from the membership must be restored.
For much too long now, different groups of people who have obviously become tired and dissatisfied with the direction that the association has been led, have put distance and barriers between themselves and BARLA, often opting to take the easy choice and setting up their own power base, rather than remaining with the association, rolling up their sleeves in an attempt to repair the damage which wrong options will often incur.
Success would require compromise by all members to display a pro-active, positive, attitude and embrace the initiatives which would indeed carry the game forward.
Hammer 13- Admin
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Sam Armstrong Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:33 pm
Hammer, thank you (again) for being the only one capable of producing a well constructed and eloquent reply whilst others seemingly have difficult constructing the simplest of sentences.
Again we are covering old ground .... everyone recognises the role that the Association played in the mid 70's, 80's and the early 90's but basically, and even your reply highlights this, since around 1993 things have almost stagnated and new ideas and initiatives replaced by mothballs.
I do acknowledge, and have in previous posts, that you are one of those that we have high hopes for but your role is one of support to the Board and it is THEY that should be responding. They are asking to be put into these positions with no apparent, certainly not to the general membership, justification for those with votes to support them but instead, rather than commit to anything positive, prefer to merely rely on their Open-Age "mates" to re-elect them ... if they are not going to set themselves objectives for their tenure then why sit unless of course it isf or no other reason than for titles & perceived status?
I hope that they. like yourself, will have the courtesy to reply but I reiterate that the image they portray to those of us who even bother to try and get some debate on here is coming over, sadly, as disdain and contempt for those outside the inner sanctum or those not involved in touring the world. Unfortunately, as we are all aware, those standing will get voted in as no-one else seems interested anymore.
I have tried to be enthusiastic following a positive meeting with Spen earlier this year but several months down the line any initial thoughts that maybe we'd reached a turning point have slowly been dispelled.
Again we are covering old ground .... everyone recognises the role that the Association played in the mid 70's, 80's and the early 90's but basically, and even your reply highlights this, since around 1993 things have almost stagnated and new ideas and initiatives replaced by mothballs.
I do acknowledge, and have in previous posts, that you are one of those that we have high hopes for but your role is one of support to the Board and it is THEY that should be responding. They are asking to be put into these positions with no apparent, certainly not to the general membership, justification for those with votes to support them but instead, rather than commit to anything positive, prefer to merely rely on their Open-Age "mates" to re-elect them ... if they are not going to set themselves objectives for their tenure then why sit unless of course it isf or no other reason than for titles & perceived status?
I hope that they. like yourself, will have the courtesy to reply but I reiterate that the image they portray to those of us who even bother to try and get some debate on here is coming over, sadly, as disdain and contempt for those outside the inner sanctum or those not involved in touring the world. Unfortunately, as we are all aware, those standing will get voted in as no-one else seems interested anymore.
I have tried to be enthusiastic following a positive meeting with Spen earlier this year but several months down the line any initial thoughts that maybe we'd reached a turning point have slowly been dispelled.
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by peter moran Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:37 pm
Hammer
Please make it your priority to read and understand Genesis. The single mistake by Barla was to choose to ignore that document. It actually gives the Association the route forward.
The NCL will take it's own direction. If that means closer co-operation with RFL then so be it. The spin off for us has been absolutely massive and our integrity remains. No -one dictates to NCL , from any authority, and we are the better for it. You and yours have a lot to learn. Our Associate status with Barla is not in issue unless anyone cares to make it one . We well appreciate our roots.Our clubs are the core of the amateur movement. That is why we stuck by our juniors when Barla threatened them.The threat diminished.Our Chair currently sits on the Community Board itself, representing the Other Leagues, and much better placed to look after our interests than any at Barla.
I welcome healthy debate and above all else new blood.You'll get where you want to be ( nobody wants the job) and I expect you to put your foot down! Use that support early. Speak to John Pattinson who I think enjoyed his first Community Board meeting.
Change the direction of our Association to one of light touch and thoughtful, advice based guidance. No spin- that does not work anymore. Barla needs to regain respect. Sovereignty is given from below,, it is not a god given right. Unless earned no-one has the gift of it's patronage or can claim it as their own. The clubs and Leagues require their support to be earned.
Out there so many would like Barla to lead from the front. Take the Keaveney route . Do you remember him ?,He told the Board how it was, and would be, on any issue ( if it even got that far). If you objected you were dead in the water. ...
The window of opportunity is not large but I believe you will find RFL accommodating, unless of course the silly, expensive letters continue...
You will be on the yellow brick road on sunday ... are you looking for the end of the rainbow ? Let me tell you, it actually does make landfall- my League ( and many others ) has found it and we believe we are better for it......
Please make it your priority to read and understand Genesis. The single mistake by Barla was to choose to ignore that document. It actually gives the Association the route forward.
The NCL will take it's own direction. If that means closer co-operation with RFL then so be it. The spin off for us has been absolutely massive and our integrity remains. No -one dictates to NCL , from any authority, and we are the better for it. You and yours have a lot to learn. Our Associate status with Barla is not in issue unless anyone cares to make it one . We well appreciate our roots.Our clubs are the core of the amateur movement. That is why we stuck by our juniors when Barla threatened them.The threat diminished.Our Chair currently sits on the Community Board itself, representing the Other Leagues, and much better placed to look after our interests than any at Barla.
I welcome healthy debate and above all else new blood.You'll get where you want to be ( nobody wants the job) and I expect you to put your foot down! Use that support early. Speak to John Pattinson who I think enjoyed his first Community Board meeting.
Change the direction of our Association to one of light touch and thoughtful, advice based guidance. No spin- that does not work anymore. Barla needs to regain respect. Sovereignty is given from below,, it is not a god given right. Unless earned no-one has the gift of it's patronage or can claim it as their own. The clubs and Leagues require their support to be earned.
Out there so many would like Barla to lead from the front. Take the Keaveney route . Do you remember him ?,He told the Board how it was, and would be, on any issue ( if it even got that far). If you objected you were dead in the water. ...
The window of opportunity is not large but I believe you will find RFL accommodating, unless of course the silly, expensive letters continue...
You will be on the yellow brick road on sunday ... are you looking for the end of the rainbow ? Let me tell you, it actually does make landfall- my League ( and many others ) has found it and we believe we are better for it......
peter moran- Junior player
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Registration date : 2009-01-29
Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Hammer 13 Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:29 pm
Hello again Sam and welcome Peter it’s great to make your acquaintance, I thought that if I got the letters CLN in the correct sequence, it would provoke a response from you.
Thanks very much for your advice on the job remit lads, although you both seem at opposite ends of the spectrum on which stance I should take once I am in office, with Sam seemingly thinking that I am there simply to support the board, while you Peter advise me to go in with guns blazing and put the board in their place. It just proves to me boys that not everyone in the game has the same viewpoint, which in my mind can only be a healthy situation to be in. What however I’m left with is a decision to make and I have already made my own mind up as to which direction I will take.
Peter, I did detect some slightly inward thinking running through your post with; my league, our clubs, our juniors and you do seem to have over egged your pudding. What you need to come to terms with is that your league (NCL) is not made up of clubs; it consists of teams which are open age teams, not juniors. These teams are in turn part of a club and to my mind - you’ll no doubt disagree and correct me – these clubs are all members of BARLA.
You mention threats in your post Peter, I’d be a fool to deny that I wasn’t aware of them but in my mind any threats that were made to the junior sections of BARLA were totally unnecessary, uncalled for and in my mind downright stupid. That element of the association needs to be removed.
And Sam, yes I do often point out things that have passed in the history of the game, great landmarks as I see it. But I believe that people need to be reminded of the great work that BARLA has done for the whole game and contrary to what you say initiatives were not mothballed in 1993. Since then, BARLA as part of the joint policy board, have been responsible for the player development programme, the coach education programme and match official development programme, not to forget BARLA Services (now known as Rugby League Services) which filled West Yorkshire House. The point being Sam, we refer to the past while we decide on our futures.
Peter forgive me if I’ve read it wrong but I did note what appeared to be a hint of sarcasm. I’ll get where I want to be, simply because this is the direction that I have chosen to go, I chose this route and was put forward for the position as I feel that I have plenty to offer. Not because nobody wants it. Sam can you see now what occurs, it’s not the old boys network using their ‘open age mates’ to vote them in as you portray, the reason is that no one else wants it.
The both of you didn’t comment on any of the initiatives which you Sam had asked openly for, is there a reason for that. Peter did indicate that spin does not work any more and BARLA needs to regain respect; well there was no spin in that, just honest ideas. And even though I do choose to tour the world Sam I don’t buy into disdain and contempt for those outside the inner sanctum. As a matter of fact I do try to show respect to everybody.
Peter, your associate status with BARLA was never put forward as being in issue and can’t think for the life of me that anyone would care to make it one, as you say the NCL chooses which direction it takes. It is however very encouraging to learn that you are aware of your conception and do appreciate your roots. Your teams are also as you say, part of the core of the amateur movement. But there are lots more teams, clubs, leagues and organisations that are a part of that amateur movement and I see BARLA’s role as one of embracing the whole of the game.
So yes Peter, it’s on the yellow brick road on Sunday ... I’m sure that it was the East Lancs road into St Helens, however if that’s what you locals know it as, so be it. As for the end of the rainbow, it’s rollover on Saturday night.
Thanks very much for your advice on the job remit lads, although you both seem at opposite ends of the spectrum on which stance I should take once I am in office, with Sam seemingly thinking that I am there simply to support the board, while you Peter advise me to go in with guns blazing and put the board in their place. It just proves to me boys that not everyone in the game has the same viewpoint, which in my mind can only be a healthy situation to be in. What however I’m left with is a decision to make and I have already made my own mind up as to which direction I will take.
Peter, I did detect some slightly inward thinking running through your post with; my league, our clubs, our juniors and you do seem to have over egged your pudding. What you need to come to terms with is that your league (NCL) is not made up of clubs; it consists of teams which are open age teams, not juniors. These teams are in turn part of a club and to my mind - you’ll no doubt disagree and correct me – these clubs are all members of BARLA.
You mention threats in your post Peter, I’d be a fool to deny that I wasn’t aware of them but in my mind any threats that were made to the junior sections of BARLA were totally unnecessary, uncalled for and in my mind downright stupid. That element of the association needs to be removed.
And Sam, yes I do often point out things that have passed in the history of the game, great landmarks as I see it. But I believe that people need to be reminded of the great work that BARLA has done for the whole game and contrary to what you say initiatives were not mothballed in 1993. Since then, BARLA as part of the joint policy board, have been responsible for the player development programme, the coach education programme and match official development programme, not to forget BARLA Services (now known as Rugby League Services) which filled West Yorkshire House. The point being Sam, we refer to the past while we decide on our futures.
Peter forgive me if I’ve read it wrong but I did note what appeared to be a hint of sarcasm. I’ll get where I want to be, simply because this is the direction that I have chosen to go, I chose this route and was put forward for the position as I feel that I have plenty to offer. Not because nobody wants it. Sam can you see now what occurs, it’s not the old boys network using their ‘open age mates’ to vote them in as you portray, the reason is that no one else wants it.
The both of you didn’t comment on any of the initiatives which you Sam had asked openly for, is there a reason for that. Peter did indicate that spin does not work any more and BARLA needs to regain respect; well there was no spin in that, just honest ideas. And even though I do choose to tour the world Sam I don’t buy into disdain and contempt for those outside the inner sanctum. As a matter of fact I do try to show respect to everybody.
Peter, your associate status with BARLA was never put forward as being in issue and can’t think for the life of me that anyone would care to make it one, as you say the NCL chooses which direction it takes. It is however very encouraging to learn that you are aware of your conception and do appreciate your roots. Your teams are also as you say, part of the core of the amateur movement. But there are lots more teams, clubs, leagues and organisations that are a part of that amateur movement and I see BARLA’s role as one of embracing the whole of the game.
So yes Peter, it’s on the yellow brick road on Sunday ... I’m sure that it was the East Lancs road into St Helens, however if that’s what you locals know it as, so be it. As for the end of the rainbow, it’s rollover on Saturday night.
Hammer 13- Admin
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by peter moran Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:03 pm
Excellent to see you in a good mood Hammer
In normal times I would agree with Sam that you should get your feet under the table first. It is though a great blessing ,as the chinese would have it, to live in 'interesting times'. We are certainly there now and it follows that a mark must be made or you will be herded with the rest. That's why I talk of a window of opportunity , for both you and John...and quick decisive action .At least then you will know where you stand.
Introversion has not been my goal in Rugby administration. When I talk of 'mine' and 'ours' it is not being possessive or unmindful of the wider game. I am an active President and simply try to look after the interests of those I represent.-I did the same when I wore a Barla mantle.Sorry - I don't do 'nodding donkeys' or passive roles...
What I do not accept is your idea that that NCL is just a one team competition . It is far more than that- it has a 'club' perpective that is not well understood by district men. We have tried to encourage that thinking over the years- away from the 'one team' pub mentality to something much more global.That is we believe the future for our game. When you kick one, we all limp.Hence the protection for our juniors. Sure there are always differences between the juniors and seniors at any one club, but anyone from outside that seeks to exploit such issues will do so at their peril , and will in any event not be serving the interests of our game.
And as for sarcasm, fair point. It's just that when I went to vote recently for my MEP. ,I was faced with 12 names. How many are on this year's Barla list at a time when it is seemingly universally accepted that a much better job can and should be done ?
In normal times I would agree with Sam that you should get your feet under the table first. It is though a great blessing ,as the chinese would have it, to live in 'interesting times'. We are certainly there now and it follows that a mark must be made or you will be herded with the rest. That's why I talk of a window of opportunity , for both you and John...and quick decisive action .At least then you will know where you stand.
Introversion has not been my goal in Rugby administration. When I talk of 'mine' and 'ours' it is not being possessive or unmindful of the wider game. I am an active President and simply try to look after the interests of those I represent.-I did the same when I wore a Barla mantle.Sorry - I don't do 'nodding donkeys' or passive roles...
What I do not accept is your idea that that NCL is just a one team competition . It is far more than that- it has a 'club' perpective that is not well understood by district men. We have tried to encourage that thinking over the years- away from the 'one team' pub mentality to something much more global.That is we believe the future for our game. When you kick one, we all limp.Hence the protection for our juniors. Sure there are always differences between the juniors and seniors at any one club, but anyone from outside that seeks to exploit such issues will do so at their peril , and will in any event not be serving the interests of our game.
And as for sarcasm, fair point. It's just that when I went to vote recently for my MEP. ,I was faced with 12 names. How many are on this year's Barla list at a time when it is seemingly universally accepted that a much better job can and should be done ?
peter moran- Junior player
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Registration date : 2009-01-29
Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Hammer 13 Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:37 am
Blimey Peter, with all the proverb quoting, I was expecting David Carradine leaping through the window of opportunity with a Kung Fu kick, calling me grasshopper, then disappearing into the setting sun. While I waited tentatively for the, “don’t eat yellow snow” one, disappointingly you never delivered.
I applaud you in your role as an active President and the teams for who you offer your support must be very appreciative. And for your protectiveness towards the juniors. But contrary to as you purport, District men do fully understand the club perspective, often having to support their clubs through problems. As we speak I am aware that one of our clubs whose first team play within your domain, is losing out to an RFL originated initiative with their players leaving in droves to play for a Rugby League Conference National team. And in a neighboring district two NCL teams looks set to lose a large percentage of their players, to a newly formed open age side who will operate in a regional league. I do welcome your concerns about problems your teams are faced with and see it as a part of the remit of my position to advise and support all the associations members. Tell me Peter, why did you give up your BARLA mantle.
Also you fail to grasp my inference to the NCL containing only a club’s premier open age team. The other branches of that team’s club purely and simply, do not fall under the auspice of the NCL administration. The NCL rely heavily on the support of regional, open age and youth leagues, which allow the teams playing in the NCL to operate and satisfy the conditions contained within the National Conference League Minimum Standards Criteria.
Now would it come as a shock to you Peter, to learn that a massive percentage of the amateur clubs whose teams play in the NCL today, do actually originate from pub teams. It’s only testament to the vision, sheer determination and efforts of these club volunteer stalwarts and years of selfless, hard work, that have inspired and elevated these clubs to where they stand today. Tell me Peter which club you inspired to these heights.
I am somewhat perplexed and puzzled however Peter as to why you are pointing me the way of John Pattinson. I know John well and have the greatest respect in his integrity and for the man himself. But your sudden change of heart leaves me to reserve judgment on your wisdom, when barely a month ago, you questioned his ability to lead, his appetite for debate and questioned his will and vision.
Well Peter I think that’s about it for now, I’m sure that I’ve offered a few scraps of food for thought but please take these thoughts with you; a chain is only as strong as its weakest link and be very aware of Greeks that bear gifts.
I applaud you in your role as an active President and the teams for who you offer your support must be very appreciative. And for your protectiveness towards the juniors. But contrary to as you purport, District men do fully understand the club perspective, often having to support their clubs through problems. As we speak I am aware that one of our clubs whose first team play within your domain, is losing out to an RFL originated initiative with their players leaving in droves to play for a Rugby League Conference National team. And in a neighboring district two NCL teams looks set to lose a large percentage of their players, to a newly formed open age side who will operate in a regional league. I do welcome your concerns about problems your teams are faced with and see it as a part of the remit of my position to advise and support all the associations members. Tell me Peter, why did you give up your BARLA mantle.
Also you fail to grasp my inference to the NCL containing only a club’s premier open age team. The other branches of that team’s club purely and simply, do not fall under the auspice of the NCL administration. The NCL rely heavily on the support of regional, open age and youth leagues, which allow the teams playing in the NCL to operate and satisfy the conditions contained within the National Conference League Minimum Standards Criteria.
Now would it come as a shock to you Peter, to learn that a massive percentage of the amateur clubs whose teams play in the NCL today, do actually originate from pub teams. It’s only testament to the vision, sheer determination and efforts of these club volunteer stalwarts and years of selfless, hard work, that have inspired and elevated these clubs to where they stand today. Tell me Peter which club you inspired to these heights.
I am somewhat perplexed and puzzled however Peter as to why you are pointing me the way of John Pattinson. I know John well and have the greatest respect in his integrity and for the man himself. But your sudden change of heart leaves me to reserve judgment on your wisdom, when barely a month ago, you questioned his ability to lead, his appetite for debate and questioned his will and vision.
Well Peter I think that’s about it for now, I’m sure that I’ve offered a few scraps of food for thought but please take these thoughts with you; a chain is only as strong as its weakest link and be very aware of Greeks that bear gifts.
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by peter moran Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:59 am
| Surely not David Carradine? The last place I want to be is dead in a wardrobe of a Thai hotel with a noose around my neck....I suppose some might think that a good idea though....who have you been talking to Hammer? As for my club , that was Wigan St Patricks. I was youth secretary there following the merger of Whelley U18's with the open age team that was the only one in town at the time ,playing in the Warrington League and unable to raise a team without our kids...nothing new there then...That was in the mid seventies. They let me keep the job, along with the others I acquired until I became Youth Chair at Barla, when I had to demonstrate independance. A dozen or so years during which we schemed for pitches, built a clubhouse , moved from one side to sixteen, along with many a club across the north who followed the same path. They now form the bulk of the NCL.A little bit of me likes to think we did it better than most, with a youth set up second to none for over ten years. Not sure about Greeks bearing gifts, Hammer. I retired from the Presidency at a time when Barla was more like the Roman forum -knives everywhere. A mandate was removed from me and I thought it was time to let someone else have a go, before I felt any holes in my back. The next President wasn't so lucky , but I won't go into that as the reason for his demise has already been edited out on here ! |
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Hammer 13 Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:10 am
Hello Peter, sorry for any nightmares I might have caused you with the David Carradine content, that wasn’t my intention please sleep easy.
Thanks for the profile of your past it for made very impressive reading and a superb template for club building and something to be very proud of, well done.
However I can only assume that by the lack of response to any of my other points in the post that you are in agreement with the points that I made.
The Greeks bearing gifts however was not referring to your past encounters in office with BARLA – although it’s not hard to identify with how you relate to your departure – it was actually aimed at the present direction with which you have chosen.
Thanks for the profile of your past it for made very impressive reading and a superb template for club building and something to be very proud of, well done.
However I can only assume that by the lack of response to any of my other points in the post that you are in agreement with the points that I made.
The Greeks bearing gifts however was not referring to your past encounters in office with BARLA – although it’s not hard to identify with how you relate to your departure – it was actually aimed at the present direction with which you have chosen.
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What Needs to be done!
by FevLions Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:36 pm
As far as I see it we need to set up a steering committee to set out a plan and our aims for the coming month on a monthly cycle so as we not wasting time as what has gone on for far too long ie RFL v Barla debate
Clubs need support in the following areas:-
1. Medical Supplies - Bring on board a supplier with competitive rates for all clubs as a bulk buy deal that BARLA could buy then distribute at cost plus P+P etc
2. Player/Team Insurance - BARLA utmost has ALREADY brokered a TOP deal with Belmont International for Team insurance whereby players get a weekly £100 payout to help them if not able to work, at ONLY £900 per annum per Openage Club that covers all their players who put a jersey on the saturday etc
3. Set up a Grant Team - to aid clubs to get through the minefield of hurdles they have to go through for grants that they ARE entitled too
4. Set a National kit supplier up to supply Playing kit Polo T shirts etc ie like Puma with the RFL
5. Set up a Trophie supplier up for all clubs to go to so costs are kept down
6. Get rid of a lot of the District cups that have become meaningless over the years and cause fixture backlog, or at least change some to summer/pre season 9 a side competitions that can bring NEW blood into the game!!
7. Set up coaching Camps that coaches can learn new skills from say Winter & Summer ones that run along same lines as RFL so they support each other
If we set out to fulfill these MAJOR 7 goals for one year and accomplish them we will all benefit
Then we can ALL move forward onto other goals
Clubs need support in the following areas:-
1. Medical Supplies - Bring on board a supplier with competitive rates for all clubs as a bulk buy deal that BARLA could buy then distribute at cost plus P+P etc
2. Player/Team Insurance - BARLA utmost has ALREADY brokered a TOP deal with Belmont International for Team insurance whereby players get a weekly £100 payout to help them if not able to work, at ONLY £900 per annum per Openage Club that covers all their players who put a jersey on the saturday etc
3. Set up a Grant Team - to aid clubs to get through the minefield of hurdles they have to go through for grants that they ARE entitled too
4. Set a National kit supplier up to supply Playing kit Polo T shirts etc ie like Puma with the RFL
5. Set up a Trophie supplier up for all clubs to go to so costs are kept down
6. Get rid of a lot of the District cups that have become meaningless over the years and cause fixture backlog, or at least change some to summer/pre season 9 a side competitions that can bring NEW blood into the game!!
7. Set up coaching Camps that coaches can learn new skills from say Winter & Summer ones that run along same lines as RFL so they support each other
If we set out to fulfill these MAJOR 7 goals for one year and accomplish them we will all benefit
Then we can ALL move forward onto other goals
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Registration date : 2009-03-05
Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Hammer 13 Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:09 am
Dean, you do stay up late at night judging by the time of this post – I hope it wasn’t sauce induced. As for your opening paragraph – success, we do have a ‘steering group’ as you call for, it’s a bi – monthly forum that usually meets at Huddersfield and it’s known as the open age forum. This is what I posted on June 26th on this thread,
“Although these would not be exactly new initiatives as they are already in place, regular youth and junior forums would be held, the same goes for the open age section. From these regular forum meetings, initiatives should be produced from the genuinely, interested members who are showing their concern for the future by attending such meetings. Members from district and regional leagues would be able to express their thoughts and ideas in a listening environment.”
So Dean if you’re going to jump in to the debate please offer previous posters a little credit. And if you do track back (sorry Sam is this going over old ground) you’ll see my comments on the youth & junior forum.
Now let’s deal with your points;
Clubs need support in the following areas:-
1. Medical Supplies - Bring on board a supplier with competitive rates for all clubs as a bulk buy deal that BARLA could buy then distribute at cost plus P+P etc
I think that this has got merit and I know that it has been talked about by the board previously, how far it got I don’t know but it will be well worth asking the question. With an association the size of BARLA it would increase the buying power massively. But in the meantime Dean, I know your side play in a league that is sponsored by a medical supplier located within a mile of you.
2. Player/Team Insurance - BARLA utmost has ALREADY brokered a TOP deal with Belmont International for Team insurance whereby players get a weekly £100 payout to help them if not able to work, at ONLY £900 per annum per Open age Club that covers all their players who put a jersey on the Saturday etc.
As with item one on your wish list, this is a perfect example of what the buying power of a large organisation will bring and as they say the proof is in the pudding: BARLA offer the best insurance deal in the game for a club’s mandatory insurance. The one that you quote to your club using is optional and open to any club.
3. Set up a Grant Team - to aid clubs to get through the minefield of hurdles they have to go through for grants that they ARE entitled to.
Good suggestion, but I think that the clubs need to understand the grants and what they are asking them to do and the criteria they need to satisfy. I have already worked on a template for some grants and as you say a grant team could probably do a lot better, it's well worth a thought.
4. Set a National kit supplier up to supply Playing kit Polo T shirts etc ie like Puma with the RFL
5. Set up a Trophy supplier up for all clubs to go to so costs are kept down
These two I would refer you back to item one on your list, however I think that different clubs in different areas would prefer choice and a lot of teams, clubs, leagues, have sponsorships with individual suppliers. Absolutely nothing wrong however in the idea of having official partners and plenty of mileage in this one, although again, I’m sure that it is currently being investigated.
6. Get rid of a lot of the District cups that have become meaningless over the years and cause fixture backlog, or at least change some to summer/pre season 9 a side competitions that can bring NEW blood into the game!!
Oops hang on a second Dean, I can detect a little personal issue creeping in here, along the lines of your little outburst some weeks ago concerning a spat the Cas & Fev District League and basically, that’s when things can start to go wrong. Personal issues create ill feeling and should not be allowed to come into this sort of thinking, it does the game no good at all.
Again if you care to track back on the forum, I do remember exchanging views with the mighty Sam Armstrong on district leagues and a look would do no harm. And Dean, surely by taking them to summer would we not cause your own club a fixture backlog, but yes pre season (or would it be at the end of season for your club) would be an option well worth considering.
7. Set up coaching Camps that coaches can learn new skills from say Winter & Summer ones that run along same lines as RFL so they support each other.
I believe that now and for some considerable now, time the coach education initiative has been in the hands of Rugby League Services. Unfortunately the courses seem to have spiraled from the low, grant supplemented, cost at the turn of the century when coach education was in the hands of the joint policy board. However, I make it no secret that I for one would like to see a return to these non profit making courses but I don’t believe that we would see it happen in its (coach education) present form.
Well Dean thanks for your input, I hope that there is now a little more meat on the bones of your initiatives and I do agree entirely with you on moving forward.
“Although these would not be exactly new initiatives as they are already in place, regular youth and junior forums would be held, the same goes for the open age section. From these regular forum meetings, initiatives should be produced from the genuinely, interested members who are showing their concern for the future by attending such meetings. Members from district and regional leagues would be able to express their thoughts and ideas in a listening environment.”
So Dean if you’re going to jump in to the debate please offer previous posters a little credit. And if you do track back (sorry Sam is this going over old ground) you’ll see my comments on the youth & junior forum.
Now let’s deal with your points;
Clubs need support in the following areas:-
1. Medical Supplies - Bring on board a supplier with competitive rates for all clubs as a bulk buy deal that BARLA could buy then distribute at cost plus P+P etc
I think that this has got merit and I know that it has been talked about by the board previously, how far it got I don’t know but it will be well worth asking the question. With an association the size of BARLA it would increase the buying power massively. But in the meantime Dean, I know your side play in a league that is sponsored by a medical supplier located within a mile of you.
2. Player/Team Insurance - BARLA utmost has ALREADY brokered a TOP deal with Belmont International for Team insurance whereby players get a weekly £100 payout to help them if not able to work, at ONLY £900 per annum per Open age Club that covers all their players who put a jersey on the Saturday etc.
As with item one on your wish list, this is a perfect example of what the buying power of a large organisation will bring and as they say the proof is in the pudding: BARLA offer the best insurance deal in the game for a club’s mandatory insurance. The one that you quote to your club using is optional and open to any club.
3. Set up a Grant Team - to aid clubs to get through the minefield of hurdles they have to go through for grants that they ARE entitled to.
Good suggestion, but I think that the clubs need to understand the grants and what they are asking them to do and the criteria they need to satisfy. I have already worked on a template for some grants and as you say a grant team could probably do a lot better, it's well worth a thought.
4. Set a National kit supplier up to supply Playing kit Polo T shirts etc ie like Puma with the RFL
5. Set up a Trophy supplier up for all clubs to go to so costs are kept down
These two I would refer you back to item one on your list, however I think that different clubs in different areas would prefer choice and a lot of teams, clubs, leagues, have sponsorships with individual suppliers. Absolutely nothing wrong however in the idea of having official partners and plenty of mileage in this one, although again, I’m sure that it is currently being investigated.
6. Get rid of a lot of the District cups that have become meaningless over the years and cause fixture backlog, or at least change some to summer/pre season 9 a side competitions that can bring NEW blood into the game!!
Oops hang on a second Dean, I can detect a little personal issue creeping in here, along the lines of your little outburst some weeks ago concerning a spat the Cas & Fev District League and basically, that’s when things can start to go wrong. Personal issues create ill feeling and should not be allowed to come into this sort of thinking, it does the game no good at all.
Again if you care to track back on the forum, I do remember exchanging views with the mighty Sam Armstrong on district leagues and a look would do no harm. And Dean, surely by taking them to summer would we not cause your own club a fixture backlog, but yes pre season (or would it be at the end of season for your club) would be an option well worth considering.
7. Set up coaching Camps that coaches can learn new skills from say Winter & Summer ones that run along same lines as RFL so they support each other.
I believe that now and for some considerable now, time the coach education initiative has been in the hands of Rugby League Services. Unfortunately the courses seem to have spiraled from the low, grant supplemented, cost at the turn of the century when coach education was in the hands of the joint policy board. However, I make it no secret that I for one would like to see a return to these non profit making courses but I don’t believe that we would see it happen in its (coach education) present form.
Well Dean thanks for your input, I hope that there is now a little more meat on the bones of your initiatives and I do agree entirely with you on moving forward.
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by FevLions Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:38 pm
Dean, you do stay up late at
night judging by the time of this post – I hope it wasn’t sauce
induced. As for your opening paragraph – success, we do have a
‘steering group’ as you call for, it’s a bi – monthly forum that
usually meets at Huddersfield and it’s known as the open age forum.
This is what I posted on June 26th on this thread,
“Although
these would not be exactly new initiatives as they are already in
place, regular youth and junior forums would be held, the same goes for
the open age section. From these regular forum meetings, initiatives
should be produced from the genuinely, interested members who are
showing their concern for the future by attending such meetings.
Members from district and regional leagues would be able to express
their thoughts and ideas in a listening environment.”
So
Dean if you’re going to jump in to the debate please offer previous
posters a little credit. And if you do track back (sorry Sam is this
going over old ground) you’ll see my comments on the youth & junior
forum.
Now let’s deal with your points;
Clubs need support in the following areas:-
1.
Medical Supplies - Bring on board a supplier with competitive rates for
all clubs as a bulk buy deal that BARLA could buy then distribute at
cost plus P+P etc
I
think that this has got merit and I know that it has been talked about
by the board previously, how far it got I don’t know but it will be
well worth asking the question. With an association the size of BARLA
it would increase the buying power massively. But in the meantime Dean,
I know your side play in a league that is sponsored by a medical
supplier located within a mile of you.
The Yorkshire League is sponsored by CMS but their is no format that members can get further discount on or via etc Maybe League needs to address this !!
2.
Player/Team Insurance - BARLA utmost has ALREADY brokered a TOP deal
with Belmont International for Team insurance whereby players get a
weekly £100 payout to help them if not able to work, at ONLY £900 per
annum per Open age Club that covers all their players who put a jersey
on the Saturday etc.
As
with item one on your wish list, this is a perfect example of what the
buying power of a large organisation will bring and as they say the
proof is in the pudding: BARLA offer the best insurance deal in the
game for a club’s mandatory insurance. The one that you quote to your
club using is optional and open to any club.
What we need to do for the betterment of the players is work together so all teams have a insurance that pays out to players so at least they can mostly cover their mortgage etc
3.
Set up a Grant Team - to aid clubs to get through the minefield of
hurdles they have to go through for grants that they ARE entitled to.
Good
suggestion, but I think that the clubs need to understand the grants
and what they are asking them to do and the criteria they need to
satisfy. I have already worked on a template for some grants and as you
say a grant team could probably do a lot better, it's well worth a
thought.
4. Set a National kit supplier up to supply Playing kit Polo T shirts etc ie like Puma with the RFL
5. Set up a Trophy supplier up for all clubs to go to so costs are kept down
These
two I would refer you back to item one on your list, however I think
that different clubs in different areas would prefer choice and a lot
of teams, clubs, leagues, have sponsorships with individual suppliers.
Absolutely nothing wrong however in the idea of having official
partners and plenty of mileage in this one, although again, I’m sure
that it is currently being investigated.
6.
Get rid of a lot of the District cups that have become meaningless over
the years and cause fixture backlog, or at least change some to
summer/pre season 9 a side competitions that can bring NEW blood into
the game!!
Oops
hang on a second Dean, I can detect a little personal issue creeping in
here, along the lines of your little outburst some weeks ago concerning
a spat the Cas & Fev District League and basically, that’s when
things can start to go wrong. Personal issues create ill feeling and
should not be allowed to come into this sort of thinking, it does the
game no good at all.
Again
if you care to track back on the forum, I do remember exchanging views
with the mighty Sam Armstrong on district leagues and a look would do
no harm. And Dean, surely by taking them to summer would we not cause
your own club a fixture backlog, but yes pre season (or would it be at
the end of season for your club) would be an option well worth
considering.
That spat is long gone, but what I am getting at is when some of these cups are contested by only a handfull of sides what is the point in esteam of winning them?
So it would be better to have quality rather than quantity etc done well it could then take on a district final of finals to be held on a weekend at a Pro ground that players would be proud to play in for many years
The spat in question was raising the issue of getting finals right on a more proffessional level so players would appreciate they took part in a final worth its merits re food laid on, proper presentations, Video of game, at a Pro ground etc etc
7.
Set up coaching Camps that coaches can learn new skills from say Winter
& Summer ones that run along same lines as RFL so they support each
other.
I
believe that now and for some considerable now, time the coach
education initiative has been in the hands of Rugby League Services.
Unfortunately the courses seem to have spiraled from the low, grant
supplemented, cost at the turn of the century when coach education was
in the hands of the joint policy board. However, I make it no secret
that I for one would like to see a return to these non profit making
courses but I don’t believe that we would see it happen in its (coach
education) present form.
I think that we need to build bridges with Pro Clubs re coaching that can enliven training for the betterment of the clubs and more important the players over time
Well
Dean thanks for your input, I hope that there is now a little more meat
on the bones of your initiatives and I do agree entirely with you on
moving forward.
What we ALL want is for players to be put at forfront of playing what ever side they play in etc whether summer winter RFL or BARLA etc
night judging by the time of this post – I hope it wasn’t sauce
induced. As for your opening paragraph – success, we do have a
‘steering group’ as you call for, it’s a bi – monthly forum that
usually meets at Huddersfield and it’s known as the open age forum.
This is what I posted on June 26th on this thread,
“Although
these would not be exactly new initiatives as they are already in
place, regular youth and junior forums would be held, the same goes for
the open age section. From these regular forum meetings, initiatives
should be produced from the genuinely, interested members who are
showing their concern for the future by attending such meetings.
Members from district and regional leagues would be able to express
their thoughts and ideas in a listening environment.”
So
Dean if you’re going to jump in to the debate please offer previous
posters a little credit. And if you do track back (sorry Sam is this
going over old ground) you’ll see my comments on the youth & junior
forum.
Now let’s deal with your points;
Clubs need support in the following areas:-
1.
Medical Supplies - Bring on board a supplier with competitive rates for
all clubs as a bulk buy deal that BARLA could buy then distribute at
cost plus P+P etc
I
think that this has got merit and I know that it has been talked about
by the board previously, how far it got I don’t know but it will be
well worth asking the question. With an association the size of BARLA
it would increase the buying power massively. But in the meantime Dean,
I know your side play in a league that is sponsored by a medical
supplier located within a mile of you.
The Yorkshire League is sponsored by CMS but their is no format that members can get further discount on or via etc Maybe League needs to address this !!
2.
Player/Team Insurance - BARLA utmost has ALREADY brokered a TOP deal
with Belmont International for Team insurance whereby players get a
weekly £100 payout to help them if not able to work, at ONLY £900 per
annum per Open age Club that covers all their players who put a jersey
on the Saturday etc.
As
with item one on your wish list, this is a perfect example of what the
buying power of a large organisation will bring and as they say the
proof is in the pudding: BARLA offer the best insurance deal in the
game for a club’s mandatory insurance. The one that you quote to your
club using is optional and open to any club.
What we need to do for the betterment of the players is work together so all teams have a insurance that pays out to players so at least they can mostly cover their mortgage etc
3.
Set up a Grant Team - to aid clubs to get through the minefield of
hurdles they have to go through for grants that they ARE entitled to.
Good
suggestion, but I think that the clubs need to understand the grants
and what they are asking them to do and the criteria they need to
satisfy. I have already worked on a template for some grants and as you
say a grant team could probably do a lot better, it's well worth a
thought.
4. Set a National kit supplier up to supply Playing kit Polo T shirts etc ie like Puma with the RFL
5. Set up a Trophy supplier up for all clubs to go to so costs are kept down
These
two I would refer you back to item one on your list, however I think
that different clubs in different areas would prefer choice and a lot
of teams, clubs, leagues, have sponsorships with individual suppliers.
Absolutely nothing wrong however in the idea of having official
partners and plenty of mileage in this one, although again, I’m sure
that it is currently being investigated.
6.
Get rid of a lot of the District cups that have become meaningless over
the years and cause fixture backlog, or at least change some to
summer/pre season 9 a side competitions that can bring NEW blood into
the game!!
Oops
hang on a second Dean, I can detect a little personal issue creeping in
here, along the lines of your little outburst some weeks ago concerning
a spat the Cas & Fev District League and basically, that’s when
things can start to go wrong. Personal issues create ill feeling and
should not be allowed to come into this sort of thinking, it does the
game no good at all.
Again
if you care to track back on the forum, I do remember exchanging views
with the mighty Sam Armstrong on district leagues and a look would do
no harm. And Dean, surely by taking them to summer would we not cause
your own club a fixture backlog, but yes pre season (or would it be at
the end of season for your club) would be an option well worth
considering.
That spat is long gone, but what I am getting at is when some of these cups are contested by only a handfull of sides what is the point in esteam of winning them?
So it would be better to have quality rather than quantity etc done well it could then take on a district final of finals to be held on a weekend at a Pro ground that players would be proud to play in for many years
The spat in question was raising the issue of getting finals right on a more proffessional level so players would appreciate they took part in a final worth its merits re food laid on, proper presentations, Video of game, at a Pro ground etc etc
7.
Set up coaching Camps that coaches can learn new skills from say Winter
& Summer ones that run along same lines as RFL so they support each
other.
I
believe that now and for some considerable now, time the coach
education initiative has been in the hands of Rugby League Services.
Unfortunately the courses seem to have spiraled from the low, grant
supplemented, cost at the turn of the century when coach education was
in the hands of the joint policy board. However, I make it no secret
that I for one would like to see a return to these non profit making
courses but I don’t believe that we would see it happen in its (coach
education) present form.
I think that we need to build bridges with Pro Clubs re coaching that can enliven training for the betterment of the clubs and more important the players over time
Well
Dean thanks for your input, I hope that there is now a little more meat
on the bones of your initiatives and I do agree entirely with you on
moving forward.
What we ALL want is for players to be put at forfront of playing what ever side they play in etc whether summer winter RFL or BARLA etc
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Re: Aims Of The BARLA Board Candidates
by Sam Armstrong Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:42 am
Hammer 13 wrote:..... I do remember exchanging views with the mighty Sam Armstrong on district leagues and a look would do no harm.
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