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What exactly do BARLA offer to its Junior members?

Post by geordie on Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:40 pm

A simple question, I can only think of Insurance and the management of cup competitions at u14s and u16s.

Both of the above could be managed by RL Services who also

Provide player registration services and produce cards.
Offer all of our coaching courses
Facilitate referees and their courses to allow games to go ahead.

Thoughts?

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Post by Broken Nose on Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:11 am

I think someone within Barla should answer this!

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Post by pandasdad on Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:47 pm

Broken Nose wrote:I think someone within Barla should answer this!
Since the heading of this thread is "Questions for BARLA", how did you come to this conclusion?

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Post by Lee Marchant on Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:50 am

There should be a reply to this soon...

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Post by pandasdad on Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:48 pm

Not very soon then?

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Post by Lee Marchant on Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:48 am

pandasdad wrote:Not very soon then?

Carole has said she would answer it,

However she is busy finalising the Insurance certificates.

As the question is very similar in context as the one posted by sam yesterday,

It may be better if one answer was given to both, by the Board of Management, Chair or Vice.
I am pursuing it..

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Post by Sam Armstrong on Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:14 am

Admin wrote:As the question is very similar in context as the one posted by sam yesterday,

It may be better if one answer was given to both, by the Board of Management, Chair or Vice.
With all due respect Lee they are two very different cases and will require two answers pertinant directly to the age groups concerned. For example, there is no point answering that "representative honours" are something that can be achieved with BARLA when our younger age-groups have no representive BARLA teams. Sadly one size doesn't fit all and again is a point that we have constantly tried to reiterate to the Board.

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Post by pandasdad on Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:57 pm

Lee, this is the BARLA forum, professing to provide openness and transparency. The section heading is "Questions to BARLA". The question was asked on Sunday. It is now Friday and nobody from BARLA has bothered to offer an answer.

Are you not beginning to see where the problem lies for yourself?

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Post by Lee Marchant on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:07 am

pandasdad wrote:Lee, this is the BARLA forum, professing to provide openness and transparency. The section heading is "Questions to BARLA". The question was asked on Sunday. It is now Friday and nobody from BARLA has bothered to offer an answer.

Are you not beginning to see where the problem lies for yourself?

just to give an update..

I have presented both questions,

I have been informed that a detailed answer is forthcoming, but this may be after a holding statement.

The reason for this, is that it is a very open ended generalised question, Spen Allison was more than happy to give me his thoughts on this during the week, but felt that rather than an individual commenting, that he would present the questions to the board of management, so the response is signed off by all, and not just the chairman. I believe they are meeting this weekend.

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Post by mick doyle on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:38 am

Should be interesting Rolling Eyes

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Post by peter moran on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:46 am

It's on the main website Mick.
Surprise,surprise neither of our questions have properly been addressed.All I get is a rallying cry for the good of the amateurs and a side swipe at RFL/RLS
There's nothing there to take to my clubs and I can only conclude that is either because they have no one who can answer the question(s) posed or there is no answer.That tells me that NCL will lose nothing if it leaves Barla, and that your Juniors only get a forum/council.We all know how far that got you before.
Surely I've got to be wrong?


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Post by Lee Marchant on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:54 am

Reply to Peter Moran from John Pattinson BARLA Vice Chairman


Peter
The BARLA constitution is what the Board of management deliver. Nothing different to when you were President for 8 years and influential in setting out the direction of BARLA before up BARLA’s Flagship NCL presidents post.

The Aims and Objectives are clearly stated in the BARLA Constitution and can be found on the BARLA web site.

Reminder of one of the Aims (2.2)
To be the GOVERNING body for Rugby league at AMATEUR level throughout Britain and Ireland.

True Amateur representatives need to consider who really has the interest of the Amateur game at heart.
BARLA or the RFL

I have no issue at being a partner (stakeholder) with the RFL under the leadership of Richard Lewis and the Community Board, but I do not represent the Aims and objectives of BARLA under its constitution to be governed and controlled by the RFL.
After becoming a partner what have the RFL really delivered.
My challenge is nothing different to what BARLA provided from West Yorkshire House.
The change being the funding was moved to the RFL and they took over the employment of the staff.

The Amateur game is about Open Age and Youth and Juniors WORKING TOGETHER. Amateur Clubs, Leagues and players.

We have an Open-Age Council and a Youth and Junior Council so make them work by attending and raising concerns and taking the Amateur game forward. Leaving the association or becoming associate members is not the right way to move the Amateur game forward, other than for personnel gain (job with the RFL)

John Pattinson

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Post by peter moran on Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:18 am

Thank you for your response John but the question raised by me on my members behalf is very specific.

I would appreciate a direct response to the point raised. I have spent all my working life asking difficult questions and we both know what I am seeking. If the answer is 'nothing' or 'an appeal system' or indeed whatever then just say so..I can live with that and take it back to the clubs when we next meet with them. No doubt the wider debate needed will then take place and that is where your response thus far made is perhaps of more relevance.

The NCL management are not uncomfortable with their position as associate members.It allows a foot in more than one camp, which obviously makes sense in sport as in other walks of life. The NCL are realistic enough to know that our views will get nowhere at Board or Council level and we cannot of course even raise them since your now infamous SGM gagging us all.

Barla's apparent lack of interest in our wellbeing is evidenced by them not taking up any position with NCL since Tommy Taylor's demise,a refusal/inability to discuss the fixture calendar,at times chaotic and downright bad disciplinary procedures-I could go on

Perhaps you now see why the question was phrased as it was.There is of course always room for talk. Spen was invited to speak up for Barla when present at the Club's meeting last monday, but for some reason declined.

Finally I am not sure what the reference to personal gain and the RFL is all about.If you're referring to me,be VERY careful. I am no septuagenarian female pensioner (nice little old lady to anyone else reading this) .If you move the game onto my playing field ,I can guarantee you a big score !!

Enjoy the day

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Post by mick doyle on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:08 am

Vice chair instead of quoting the constitution , a constitution which in many grass roots volunteers is in dis-repute.
Could you please give us examples of what the board have actually done for the youth and junior game ?


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Post by Lee Marchant on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:43 am

A response has been given,

BARLA are not going to get into ping pong exchanges over any question they have answered, nor do I think they should.


The thing is Mick,

and let me take my admin hat off for a second and post as an outsider looking in...

With all due respect to Sam (who my MD speaks quite highly of) and Peter, the questions presented are extremely poor in my honest opinion.

What's the next one?

what does BARLA do for the NWC under 12's?, followed by, what does BARLA do for the NWC under xxx, etc, etc.

They are lazy questions and are going to be answered with quotes from the Constitution. It's like the cute child on a Labour party political broadcast, asking MR BROWN, what the government is going to do for her. A question which contains such a broad sweeping area is only going to receive party spiel straight from their manifesto . Peter said the question was very specific, I can't see that, it was a sweeping generalisation in every way.

Put the shoe on the other foot for a moment, would your league answer such a question from one of your clubs any differently? The answer is what you have put down in writing that you will work to provide, ie the constitution.


If a question is more specific to a particular area of interest (as you have just asked with the finance allocation) then a specific answer can be sought.

Somebody asked today what the plans were for touring this year, a couple of quick phone calls and Mick has very nicely popped up and posted a terrific up to date summary.

That is the kind of thing this questions section was intended for, it isn't going to resolve long standing feuds and disputes, that quite frankly (once again without my admin hat on) need to be sorted out face to face.

Whilst you are using this forum as a battleground to cover areas that need to be sorted out face to face, it is undermining the reason and purpose it was set up for, and that is to help the clubs in many ways including financial. Please just pick up the phone and arrange a meeting.

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Post by peter moran on Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:49 pm

Is that the best you and they can do Admin? So that's it? Which bit of the 'lazy, general' question do you not understand?

How about 'what are we going to lose or have taken from us if we leave Barla? How 'unspecific' do you want to be, 'cos that is EXACTLY what my question asks.

And what do you think I'm going to advise my clubs to do, when they have asked for this very information? And are getting no answer from Barla, again.They run over 600 teams between them ....

Get rid of this sub forum.It's not for hard talk--just show.It's not what Utmost needs. The rest of it is ok for light info and networking. I'll be looking elsewhere for real debate. My ball and bat is now well and truly in my bag.

And as for my advice to my clubs and Committee, that's in my bag as well.

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Post by Big Bad Bri on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:14 pm

Well somebody has thrown their toys out of the pram! Lee and samsung are right on the money. What the hell did you expect, and what exactly do you propose is done differently. I’m glad no special provision has been made for PM’s ego.

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Post by once a ref on Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:49 am

Well they would by right on the money from your slanted view of things. You are the one, don't forget, who gets his information from club reps who don't listen at meetings. Idea

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Post by Lancs on Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:41 pm

Admin wrote:
We have an Open-Age Council and a Youth and Junior Council so make them work by attending and raising concerns and taking the Amateur game forward. Leaving the association or becoming associate members is not the right way to move the Amateur game forward, other than for personnel gain (job with the RFL)

John Pattinson

An absolutely deplorable statement from anybody purporting to be a representative of any organisation. Shameful.

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Post by once a ref on Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:49 pm

If this guy Pattinson is an example of BARLA management is it any wonder that there are problems.

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Post by Marauder on Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:02 pm

peter moran wrote:
Thank you for your response John but the question raised by me on my members behalf is very specific.

I would appreciate a direct response to the point raised. I have spent all my working life asking difficult questions and we both know what I am seeking. If the answer is 'nothing' or 'an appeal system' or indeed whatever then just say so..I can live with that and take it back to the clubs when we next meet with them. No doubt the wider debate needed will then take place and that is where your response thus far made is perhaps of more relevance.

The NCL management are not uncomfortable with their position as associate members.It allows a foot in more than one camp, which obviously makes sense in sport as in other walks of life. The NCL are realistic enough to know that our views will get nowhere at Board or Council level and we cannot of course even raise them since your now infamous SGM gagging us all.

Barla's apparent lack of interest in our wellbeing is evidenced by them not taking up any position with NCL since Tommy Taylor's demise,a refusal/inability to discuss the fixture calendar,at times chaotic and downright bad disciplinary procedures-I could go on

Perhaps you now see why the question was phrased as it was.There is of course always room for talk. Spen was invited to speak up for Barla when present at the Club's meeting last monday, but for some reason declined.

Finally I am not sure what the reference to personal gain and the RFL is all about.If you're referring to me,be VERY careful. I am no septuagenarian female pensioner (nice little old lady to anyone else reading this) .If you move the game onto my playing field ,I can guarantee you a big score !!

Enjoy the day

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Post by mick doyle on Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:30 pm

Is Mr Pattinson representing the boards feelings or his own personal ones ?

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Post by Steve Hulme on Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:07 pm

If any junior league club playing within the North West counties league had the balls to ask "what does this commitee or organisation do for our kids rugby" it would be met with a torrent of information detailing the long list of items which are forthcoming through this league. It would be responded to in a professional and timley manner , transparently addressed and the offer that if the club felt that there was more they could do to assist they would be open to any suggestions or ideas. Ask Barla the same question and they quote a constitution. Laughable at the best and just for the record could someone remind us how many of these barla officials have actually attended any of the NWC finals ,which where brilliantly organised, as guest of honour and in support of the future of this great game.Or maybe they was too busy organising the next tour of sunnier climbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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