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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:22 pm

I don't mean this to sound patronising (so if it does please don't take it that way - text like this often reads two ways), but by pulling out you might in your areas opinion done the best for NWC Y&J but by doing so have you done the best for the game as a whole?

I know you are elected to look after NWC, but surely part of the remit is to look both inward and outward with a view to the game in general.

Surely if its so wrong at BARLA (and you've probably guessed in my experience is not right but not as bad as you have experienced) isn't it better to stay and fight to sort it out?

Does BARLA interfere THAT much with your day to day running of your area that you need to pull away (and if they do what do they prevent you doing)?

I'm also interested what you think you will get over and above what you have today (that you need or is nice to have) which you can't achieve today by staying in BARLA and talking with the RFL as we do now - because to me that's key to choosing to change anything - it has to have some tangible benefit.

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Post by Sam Armstrong on Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:15 am

stivey wrote:I don't mean this to sound patronising (so if it does please don't take it that way - text like this often reads two ways), but by pulling out you might in your areas opinion done the best for NWC Y&J but by doing so have you done the best for the game as a whole?
Not patronising at all, a genuine question which I will endeavour to answer as honestly as I can.

stivey wrote:I know you are elected to look after NWC, but surely part of the remit is to look both inward and outward with a view to the game in general
. Yes you are correct and we believe that with the current apathy of the Board, as the majority of youth/junior Leagues have no input via BARLA in the development of the youth/junior game whether that be by Associate status or just simply not being members, that to work alongside these other currently non-involved Leagues as part of the Community Board is the future.

stivey wrote:Surely if its so wrong at BARLA (and you've probably guessed in my experience is not right but not as bad as you have experienced) isn't it better to stay and fight to sort it out?
Sadly, as Associates that arena has simply been removed from us. How can we fight when our players no longer have genuine input to BARLA regarding youth/junior issues? The last person who we truly beieve had youth & junior's interests at heart sadly resigned due to frustration at her own perceived lack of support from the Board, Pat was a strong character but even she became so disillusioned with the Board that she sadly felt she was left with no alternative but to resign ... unfortunately no-one has taken up the baton from her on our behalf.

stivey wrote:Does BARLA interfere THAT much with your day to day running of your area that you need to pull away (and if they do what do they prevent you doing)?
Not really, we receive no correspondence from them any longer but their lack of attempts to re-establish communications, to us, merely confirms their apathy towards youth/junior anyway.

stivey wrote:I'm also interested what you think you will get over and above what you have today (that you need or is nice to have) which you can't achieve today by staying in BARLA and talking with the RFL as we do now - because to me that's key to choosing to change anything - it has to have some tangible benefit.
From BARLA we currently receive nothing as a "League" - no correspondence, no visits and no input or representation for the several thousand players in our region alone.

However from the RFL & the excellent RL Services we receive;

  1. our registration cards,
  2. paperwork and documentation,
  3. support on IT,
  4. assistance with the Media,
  5. clarification of Rules,
  6. Club Development,
  7. assistance with Grant Applications,
  8. help finding sponsors,
  9. assistance with our organisation & running of the Lancashire Cup which this year will be taking place at a superb stadium (giving it finally the credibility it deserves),
  10. Community programs with our local professional clubs,
  11. access to full time Referee Co-ordinators,
  12. Coaching training and seminars,
  13. Drug Monitoring and Mentoring,
  14. assistance with Child Welfare and Racial Equality issues
  15. fully staffed main offices,
  16. regional offices local to us (i.e. Warrington)
  17. Regional Development Officers out and about in schools in our region bringing the game to the attention of the next generation of players.

On top of these we have new fully supported positive programmes such as

  1. Respect
  2. the excellent Try It campaign,
  3. structured & shared national development via the new Youth & Junior Forum
  4. positive promotion and recognition of our League and it's players via the RFL's Community Bulletin.

I hope that the above, which are merely off the top of my head, explains why we believe that the choice that we need to be making for our players isn't really that hard to see???
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Post by Guest on Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:25 am

Not really for a couple of reasons.

Again I'd ask was the decision to pull out in the best interests of the game in general.

Your argument that the right to fight has been taken away does not ring wholly true as you could always join as full members again.

Whilst you listed many services RLS provide (some I believe paid for by BARLA and of course the clubs themselevs) you didn't really answer my question as regards to what you GAIN from leaving BARLA as all those services are available to you whether you are in BARLA or not.

Unless of course you have information that these services will be withdrawn from BARLA in due course?

Your comments about working withe some of the "newer" leagues is a credible one and I have some experience personally in running a team in the Midlands Merit League, however being a BARLA member does not stop you working with them anyway - or does it?

I'm trying hard to understand what tangible benefits you have gained by breaking away from BARLA, benefits that are not already available to you regardless of being in BARLA.

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Post by mary.poppins on Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:34 am

stivey wrote:Not really for a couple of reasons.

Again I'd ask was the decision to pull out in the best interests of the game in general.

Your argument that the right to fight has been taken away does not ring wholly true as you could always join as full members again.

Whilst you listed many services RLS provide (some I believe paid for by BARLA and of course the clubs themselevs) you didn't really answer my question as regards to what you GAIN from leaving BARLA as all those services are available to you whether you are in BARLA or not.

Unless of course you have information that these services will be withdrawn from BARLA in due course?

Your comments about working withe some of the "newer" leagues is a credible one and I have some experience personally in running a team in the Midlands Merit League, however being a BARLA member does not stop you working with them anyway - or does it?

I'm trying hard to understand what tangible benefits you have gained by breaking away from BARLA, benefits that are not already available to you regardless of being in BARLA.

But on the other hand what have the leagues lost by not being members of BARLA.
I openly admit I do not understand everything that is happening but you keep asking the NWC what they have gained from not being with BARLA maybe you can explain to me what they are actually missing from not being members ?

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Post by Sam Armstrong on Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:00 am

stivey wrote:Again I'd ask was the decision to pull out in the best interests of the game in general.
We see the apathy of the current Board as detrimental to development of the youth/junior game and therefore believe that our being represented elsewhere gives us the opportunity to have a positive role in the development of the game in general.

stivey wrote:Your argument that the right to fight has been taken away does not ring wholly true as you could always join as full members again.
In the same way as were dismissed it is now a matter of principle, we do not feel we should EVER have been in the position from where we need to re-apply due to lies and incompetance.

stivey wrote:Whilst you listed many services RLS provide (some I believe paid for by BARLA and of course the clubs themselevs) you didn't really answer my question as regards to what you GAIN from leaving BARLA as all those services are available to you whether you are in BARLA or not.
I profess that I do not know which aspects BARLA have "paid for" but what we "GAIN" outside of that is quite simply a right to vote and to have our views listened to which our players no longer have as Associates.

stivey wrote:Unless of course you have information that these services will be withdrawn from BARLA in due course?
If you have heard this then you are privvy to more information than we honestly have ever been ... no-one, to the best of my personal knowledge, has ever proposed or, hopefully, ever discussed such an action.

stivey wrote:Your comments about working with some of the "newer" leagues is a credible one and I have some experience personally in running a team in the Midlands Merit League, however being a BARLA member does not stop you working with them anyway - or does it?
It limits us, should we not be involved via the RFL's Youth & Junior Forum, to our opportunities to interface with them and to hear their overall views and superb development in a multi region forum as, as Associates, none of us can any longer do this via BARLA

stivey wrote:I'm trying hard to understand what tangible benefits you have gained by breaking away from BARLA, benefits that are not already available to you regardless of being in BARLA.
I repeat my previous answer "what we "GAIN" outside of that is quite simply a right to vote and to have our views listened to which our players no longer have as Associates".

This is no knee jerk reaction but having spent two years ostracized from the organisation we once admired, respected and were once proud to be Full members of we've had enough! An Association which is supposed to represent our players' interests but refuses us the right to put their views forward through individual's lies and incompetance, has ironically, given us more autonomy to run our League for our players in the way that we believe we should. Our largest concern was that we seemingly had lost little from BARLA by being downgraded to Associates other than our right to vote and if therefore if there is an alternative arena for us to express our players' views in and be pro-actively involved, then (I'm sure you'll agree) we owe it to those players to take that option!
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Post by mick doyle on Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:16 am

Stivey please take your blinkers off,oh and by the way who are you and who do you represent ?

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Post by Guest on Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:08 am

I wondered how long before a personal comment would come out, thank you for that, but I have no blinkers on - simply want to understand what your thought process was and what you gained by your decision - I suppose I could equally talk about rose tinted glasses in the "other leagues" section of our game but I never would be so petty.

If answering my questions have some way made you feel uncomfortable then I apologise, but I thought this was a foum for debate, however I know that if I belonged to a committee that has took the action your region has I would be 100% aware of what benefits I thought there was to be gained (and that includes perceived ones) and what exactly the negative ones would be also, but not just to my region but to the game as a whole.

At the end of the day as an elected committee person we are all accountable to someone and if I was to be part of a committee that in effect has broken away from its elected governing body I would want to be certain what I did was right for both my league and the game as a whole.

I would say that personally I'm not sure the benefits you've currently outlined out-weight the potential damage to the game its caused, though I'm not denying that you feel NWC are better off.

Clearly there are issues, but your "blinkers" statement is uncalled for and its personal stuff like that which gets in the way of dialogue - and for many of us who are watching and waiting the cause of a great deal of things that are wrong in our game.

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Post by once a ref on Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:06 am

Stivey, your loyalty to an organisation that is only a shadow of the well run, well respected body that it was a few years ago is admirable if a tad misguided.

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Post by Sam Armstrong on Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:11 am

Stivey, I have answered every single one of your points in depth on an individual basis yet, for reasons unknown, even after my doing so you still seem unconvinced. Well, now it's your turn ... please tell me why you think staying in BARLA will be beneficial to our League and it's players and in the best interests of the game as a whole?

Please try to be as honest and open as I have endeavoured to be with you.
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Post by mick doyle on Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:49 am

Stivey if I offended you, did,nt me to and please accept my apology.
You seem not to be able to grasp the current situation.
Sam has far more elequently put our case forward ,yet you still in my opinion choose to ignore the obvious problem.

Not one board member has either challanged anything Sam as highlighted.
The only responce I have had from an un- identified board spokesperson is again to give false statement.

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Post by Big Bad Bri on Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:27 pm

I agree with most of what stivey has said.

If you have a problem
with the organisation the best thing to do is to change it from the
inside out. If you are right and they are wrong, you will get the
support from many other members, not just the NWC,

seems to me
that the NWC is the only one that has these massive problems with
BARLA, (well when I say NWC, I mean the dictatorship that runs it) and
this stems back from 2-3 year old pettiness on both sides, and it
appears from the statement in the news section, that this was caused
because NWC didn't pay the £50 or so it costs to be a full member on
time. .

If BARLA are guilty of not having the interests of the
kids ahead of personal agendas then the same can be aimed at those who
run the NWC. I know a lot of the clubs are very unhappy with the way
the vote was handled to pull another league away from the BARLA
umbrella and it seems as Stivey has said that no one has really thought
this through.

They won't be able to enter the BARLA cups, nor represent BARLA.

How much extra is the insurance giong to cost with just a handfull of teams making up the policy? quite a lot more I'd imagine

I'm not happy with the decision, and honestly think if change is needed at
BARLA, it also needs to be made at the head of the NWC, and I'm not the
only one thinking that.

This forum has been set up to help aid communication with BARLA, and it's an interesting idea, which may work or may faill

All I've seen so far is the few usual suspects from the NWC league bleating
on and making a nuiscense of themselves, first of all demanding answers
that a simple phonecall could have dealt with, and now turning on the
guy running the site, because the answers have been given and them not
liking what they hear.

Pathetic, and I'm embarrased that my club plays under these clowns. Why are you so determined to take over this website when you don't want anything to do with BARLA anyway?

fair play to BARLA, for trying to make an effort with a website like this,
and those that are trying to kill it before it has chance to get off
the ground should be ashamed of themselves, if (as they say) they have
the best interest of the game and kids at heart.

Bri.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:42 pm

Sam Armstrong wrote:Stivey, I have answered every single one of your points in depth on an individual basis yet, for reasons unknown, even after my doing so you still seem unconvinced. Well, now it's your turn ... please tell me why you think staying in BARLA will be beneficial to our League and it's players and in the best interests of the game as a whole?

Please try to be as honest and open as I have endeavoured to be with you.

Sam I just typed a long and detailed answer and was timed out and lost it - since then the message above has arrived so I'll wait for an answer to that one (if any are forthcoming) and answer your questions tomorrow after watching the lads, taking the phone calls, emailing the newspapers, updating the league tables, updating the websites etc etc etc as we all do each week.

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Post by Sam Armstrong on Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:35 pm

Big Bad Bri wrote:I agree with most of what stivey has said.
Fair enough, you have every right to do so.

Big Bad Bri wrote:If you have a problem with the organisation the best thing to do is to change it from the inside out.
How are we supposed to do this when we receive no correspondence, no replies to our letters and are no longer able to represent our players at BARLA Youth/Junior meetings??

Big Bad Bri wrote:If you are right and they are wrong, you will get the support from many other members, not just the NWC.
There are several supporting our decision and who may, quite possibly dependant on how things pan out, decide to follow. Don't forget Yorkshire Juniors coped perfectly well without being members of BARLA.

Big Bad Bri wrote:seems to me that the NWC is the only one that has these massive problems with BARLA
Are we? Why did, as I mentioned above, Yorkshire Juniors remain outside for so long? Yes the "massive problems" affecting the 8-12's and ourselves are down to the lies and incompetence regarding fees - payment of which was never ever an issue with either League and was offered by both as soon as we became aware but was declined by BARLA.

Big Bad Bri wrote:... well when I say NWC, I mean the dictatorship that runs it....
If you are unhappy with any members of any of Leagues' Committees then you are well within your rights to stand against them at every AGM.

Big Bad Bri wrote:and this stems back from 2-3 year old pettiness on both sides, and it appears from the statement in the news section, that this was caused because NWC didn't pay the £50 or so it costs to be a full member on
time. .
Er yes, but as I keep repeating but you seem to constantly seem to ignore, we received no invoices or any other documentation prior to being notified our membership was being "downgraded" ... as soon as we became aware the money was sent at the earliest possible opportunity ... is this us being "petty" in your books?

Big Bad Bri wrote:If BARLA are guilty of not having the interests of the kids ahead of personal agendas then the same can be aimed at those who run the NWC.
Have the courage of your convictions man and give us examples of where you believe any members of our Committees at any age-group have "personal agendas"?

Big Bad Bri wrote:I know a lot of the clubs are very unhappy with the way
the vote was handled to pull another league away from the BARLA umbrella and it seems as Stivey has said that no one has really thought this through.
The opportunity to vote by the 16-18's was given to everyone present and, I believe it had been discussed numerous times by the floor. The 13-15's will have the opportunity to vote at our next monthly meeting and again have been kept fully informed of our dealings and responses (or lack of them) by the BARLA Board.

Big Bad Bri wrote:They won't be able to enter the BARLA cups, nor represent BARLA.
You are clearly not as well informed as you believe you are Sir, they CAN enter the BARLA National Cups via their District League (contrary to what was initially stated in front of a packed 16-18's Meeting by the Chair & Youth Chair), the Lancashire Cup is now being run by the three x NW Counties Leagues (and will be, by far, the biggest ever day the competition has seen when our Finals are staged this year) and there is no BARLA "representative" rugby for U18's!!!

Big Bad Bri wrote:How much extra is the insurance giong to cost with just a handfull of teams making up the policy? quite a lot more I'd imagine
The Clubs themselves will not be leaving BARLA, just the fixture organising League, so they will remain insured by BARLA or do BARLA intend to remove the insurance of nearly every club in the North West if the fixture organising Leagues leave???

Big Bad Bri wrote:I'm not happy with the decision, and honestly think if change is needed at BARLA, it also needs to be made at the head of the NWC, and I'm not the only one thinking that.
Please refer to my previous answer to your earlier point and we look forward to you stepping out from behind the anonimity of your nom de plume and "putting your money where your mouth is" by standing for any of the Chair/Secretary or any other position. Was it not yourself who stated at the beginning of your missive ..
Big Bad Bri wrote:If you have a problem with the organisation the best thing to do is to change it from the inside out.
Have you already, within half a page, changed your mind?? Rolling Eyes

Big Bad Bri wrote:This forum has been set up to help aid communication with BARLA, and it's an interesting idea, which may work or may fail
At last ... something we agree on!! Yippee!

Big Bad Bri wrote:All I've seen so far is the few usual suspects from the NWC league bleating on and making a nuiscense of themselves ..
As Secretaries and Chairs of our respective Leagues should we just roll over or stand our corner with the facts which you consider to be "making a nuiscense" (your poor spelling .. not mine). If we were to live with the mistruths being spread then we would not be representing our players in the way we should ... or would this be your stance if you were to stand for election???

Big Bad Bri wrote:first of all demanding answers that a simple phonecall could have dealt with ....
Try reading though my previous posts, we DID phone the BARLA Secretary, we did write to the Association, we even raised it before our invite to Youth/Junior meetings was rescinded all of which, and the lack of the Boards' response was highlighted in Pat Crawshaw's resignation letter!

Big Bad Bri wrote:.. and now turning on the guy running the site, because the answers have been given and them not liking what they hear.
I think people were unhappy with the about turn from "I am not BARLA's mouthpiece .." to "BARLA have responded" without saying who this response was attributed to which, as we all know, will be denied as coming from anyone.

Big Bad Bri wrote:Pathetic, and I'm embarrased that my club plays under these clowns.
Sighs ... are your team's unhappy with the competitions we provide or just you? You clearly seem to have personal issues with at least one NW Counties member and now, even though I have had the courtesy to answer every one of your individual points each time, seem to be tarring everyone with the same brush. If you are so unhappy then be brave enough to reveal yourself and your grievances and I'm sure they'll be listened to as I've done by not pretending to be anyone other than myself.

Big Bad Bri wrote:Why are you so determined to take over this website when you don't want anything to do with BARLA anyway?
We have our own very very succesful forums, ours at 13-15's has had well over 14000 posts (6000+ were wiped by our external website administrator, by accident, prior to this season before anyone visits and says there are only around 8000+) in less than 12 months and has over 700 members all free to have their say with no censorship (excepting regarding sexual issues) .... why would we want to take over this? So far this has been, by far, the most active thread ... it would've been a very quiet place without us!!!

Big Bad Bri wrote:fair play to BARLA, for trying to make an effort with a website like this
Here here ... Wow, this is our second agreement!!

Big Bad Bri wrote:and those that are trying to kill it before it has chance to get off the ground should be ashamed of themselves, if (as they say) they have
the best interest of the game and kids at heart.
So, by contributing and not leaving this Forum sitting in silence you believe we are trying to "kill it"? Au contraire mon ami, we are delighted to have the platform to state our case which others may have been misled about or may not have been previously aware of the FACTS involved!!!


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Post by Sam Armstrong on Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:40 pm

stivey wrote:Sam I just typed a long and detailed answer and was timed out and lost it - since then the message above has arrived so I'll wait for an answer to that one (if any are forthcoming) and answer your questions tomorrow after watching the lads, taking the phone calls, emailing the newspapers, updating the league tables, updating the websites etc etc etc as we all do each week.
I can empathise with you about losing your post ... this happens to me every time and my frustration at which led to my ticking off for my "less than courteous" post to the Admin (something I did apologise to him for even though the tone of it had been slightly misconstrued). I now copy everything before I try to post and then, when I am annoyingly asked to sign in again, I simply do so and then select "paste" ..,. this, so far seems to work. Wink

I genuinely look forward to your reply, debate always needs two sides and from your last post you sound like you have a similar role to ourselves (whether that be in our region or elsewhere). I hope that by my taking the time to answer your questions as honestly as I can you'll see that this is no power struggle (we all are far too busy to want to take additional positions on as I'm sure you appear to be too) just a desire to get true and fair representation for our players. I, personally, hope never to be Chair of our own, let alone other organisations, but I will fight hand and tooth for those I very passionately represent to the best of my ability.


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Post by Lee Marchant on Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:55 pm

Ok, can we calm it down a little please people,

that goes for some on both sides of the divide.

point taken regarding, the comments I've posted on behalf of BARLA, and I will try to make sure I have permission to put a name underneath any statement if the same situation arises.

there was nothing shadowwy(is that a word?) or underhand, I simply didn't ask if it was ok to put the person's name to it, so that was my mistake, and one I'll be careful not to repeat.
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Post by mick doyle on Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:18 am

Big Bri ,which of the Nwc OFFICIALS are you labelling as clowns or dictators,the latter i personally find offensive ,I chair a democratic association nothing is done at the 8-12,s without the full backing of its member clubs.
So if you are hurling those insults at me please back them up.
My contact number is 07833131088 or nwc.chair@yahoo.co.uk
if you have any issues you would like to discuss.
All our clubs have at times painstakingly been informed of the current issues within BARLA.
You are more than welcome to attend any of our meetings have an input ,we have nothing to fear or hide from.

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Post by once a ref on Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:26 am

Article in League Express today from BARLA's unofficial spokesperson Phil Hodgson who gives it to Ms Steel with both barrels, plenty supposition and innuendo but a bit lacking in fact. He was so pleased with it he repeated it on the next page.

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Post by Sam Armstrong on Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:43 am

once a ref wrote:Article in League Express today from BARLA's unofficial spokesperson Phil Hodgson who gives it to Ms Steel with both barrels, plenty supposition and innuendo but a bit lacking in fact.
Reffy, this guy has done more about turns than you see in an average Trooping Of The Colour!!

How can this possibly viewed as an "impartial" perspective when he recently had the role and travelled to Italy to cover the BARLA Great Britain Under 23’s tour as PRO?

For him to refer to "openness" after doing the "spin" for that tour (through somewhat "rose-tinted" glasses) and in relation to the current Board's stance has to be the very pinnacle of hypocrisy!! I dare say if he'd looked at the 16-18's minutes where the vote was taken or even bothered to look through other earlier minutes he'd have seen that the decision HAD been discussed. Typical journalist ... why let facts get in the way of a good story??

By the way Phil, please feel free direct us to where the BARLA minutes are posted on their website unlike the NW Counties which are, at all groups, there for all to see if we are discussing openness !!!
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Re: NWC youth 16-18 withdraw from BARLA

Post by samsung on Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:04 am

At the meeting in September last, the minutes record the voting as 11 for and 4 against. There are no abstentions shown. I don't believe there were only 15 voters present. It still has to be agreed exactly what they were voting for - as clearly some of the clubs thought it was for a different reason than the Chairman of the 16s-18s.

My own club's representative abstained - prefering to discuss things with his club committee first. His vote (and that of how many others?) was not indicated. For all you know, there may have been just as many abstentions than votes in favour. That could certainly have put a different light on the wishes of the clubs.

You can post as many things on here as you wish - but I think it's still going to be the clubs that decide in the end.

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Re: NWC youth 16-18 withdraw from BARLA

Post by mary.poppins on Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:32 am

After reading the league express I find it a bit odd that BARLA then use Hilary to collect their results for the National cup games. Evil or Very Mad
Does anybody at BARLA actually think before speaking or is everything a personal oppinion not the the thoughts of the whole committee.

Trying to keep an open mind here. Still waiting for an answer from stivey seems like you are avoiding answering questions.
<BLOCKQUOTE>stivey wrote:Not really for a couple of reasons.

Again I'd ask was the decision to pull out in the best interests of the game in general.

Your argument that the right to fight has been taken away does not ring wholly true as you could always join as full members again.

Whilst you listed many services RLS provide (some I believe paid for by BARLA and of course the clubs themselevs) you didn't really answer my question as regards to what you GAIN from leaving BARLA as all those services are available to you whether you are in BARLA or not.

Unless of course you have information that these services will be withdrawn from BARLA in due course?

Your comments about working withe some of the "newer" leagues is a credible one and I have some experience personally in running a team in the Midlands Merit League, however being a BARLA member does not stop you working with them anyway - or does it?

I'm trying hard to understand what tangible benefits you have gained by breaking away from BARLA, benefits that are not already available to you regardless of being in BARLA.

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But on the other hand what have the leagues lost by not being members of BARLA.
I openly admit I do not understand everything that is happening but you keep asking the NWC what they have gained from not being with BARLA maybe you can explain to me what they are actually missing from not being members ?


Hope to learn something as I say trying to keep an open mind and decide for myself the rights and wrongs.

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Re: NWC youth 16-18 withdraw from BARLA

Post by Broken Nose on Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:54 am

I just wish that someone in the NWC would make a decision.


Be in BARLA

or

Be out of BARA


Instead of all this underhanded revolt on this forum, why dont you all get together and make a decision.

That way this can stop. Rolling Eyes

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Re: NWC youth 16-18 withdraw from BARLA

Post by Sam Armstrong on Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:28 am

Broken Nose wrote:I just wish that someone in the NWC would make a decision.

Be in BARLA
or
Be out of BARLA

Instead of all this underhanded revolt on this forum, why dont you all get together and make a decision.
That way this can stop. Rolling Eyes
First and foremost there is nothing "underhanded" nor is it a "revolt" we have asked the questions to BARLA several times in several different manners i.e. in writing, in private and in public meetings (before we were stopped from attending or received no correspondence) and still they haven't had the courtesy to supply us with the answers so, there is no underhandedness".

By your use of the word "revolt" you also imply that we are somehow trying to overthrow their authority ... not at all, we are merely highlighting that we are very unhappy with the way things are handled regarding the youth/junior game and that we are in some cases, and would like the opportunity to in others, leave to a platform where we believe our interests would be better represented. We have never ever requested or suggested that the Board be ousted and not that they should be ousted as, it would seem, for the Open Age they are deemed to be doing a good job but as we are not Open Age Leagues we do not think for us they are and so, rather than get involved in any power struggle, we are happy to consider moving.

Personally I wouldn't hesitate for a moment if the decision was solely mine but it isn't. I am part of a democratically elected Committee representing, what we consider to be, the best interests of our players but if those players and their respective clubs vote for us to remain in BARLA so be it. I will still do my utmost to get their views across!!!
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Re: NWC youth 16-18 withdraw from BARLA

Post by mary.poppins on Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:39 pm

Broken Nose wrote:I just wish that someone in the NWC would make a decision.


Be in BARLA

or

Be out of BARA


Instead of all this underhanded revolt on this forum, why dont you all get together and make a decision.

That way this can stop. Rolling Eyes

Strange as it meant seem but the only reason this thread is here and was started was because NWC 16-18 left BARLA.
So how can it stop if NWC decide whether they want to stay or go !! Embarassed

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Re: NWC youth 16-18 withdraw from BARLA

Post by Paul Stephenson on Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:27 pm

Sam, are you able to share with us here the letter which NWC wrote to BARLA which has the (was it 12?) points that remain unanswered?
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Re: NWC youth 16-18 withdraw from BARLA

Post by once a ref on Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:46 pm

How many Administrators are there on this Forum? affraid

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